Bosman 5pts Hey Bubbaz88....you have done the same thing all Bimmerphiles do. They read the car magazines instead of actual going to a track like I did. I saw a CTS-V vs an M-3 at Limerock in Connecticut. The CTS-V is heavier and not as agile, BUT it actual "destroyed the M-3. It was 2.5 seconds faster around the track for each of the 3 laps. Now with the ATS-V is won't even be that close because the ATS-V will be 500lbs less and much more agile. Your plain Jane M-3 will be smoke by either an EVO or a STI.....and you now its true. The M-3 has been overrated for years. The only real one was the first one that had 240hp and slightly less than 200 pounds of torque. That was a great day. The V8 version was a huge failure because it had 414hp and less than 300ftlbs of torque....really...."the exquisite package" will be exposed for what it really is....nice car, but sincerely...no race car. Hey, when I pull up to an M-3 in my ZO6....the driver does not move until I go.....The Audi S5 will destroy it as well. Whoops not a fair fight because the S5 has AWD....hey.....have a great week. Remember, this is just car talk....we can a little fun...right.